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Message posted by Web master on 22 December 2003 at 11:26pm - IP Logged
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Discuss the 1990 CNE Bud Stocks here.

Message posted by duken on 04 January 2004 at 11:21am - IP Logged
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 I attended all the races on thursdays's and the cascar weekend events. I have a few programs still. Mentioned this to you before on cascaronline. good to see someone keeping the memories alive. Did you ever get any info on the dirt track that was on the north side of hiway 401 by Lilltle lake near colborne? Regards duken

Message posted by Web master on 05 January 2004 at 11:56am - IP Logged
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Quote: Originally posted by Guest on 04 January 2004
 I attended all the races on thursdays's and the cascar weekend events. I have a few programs still. Mentioned this to you before on cascaronline. good to see someone keeping the memories alive. Did you ever get any info on the dirt track that was on the north side of hiway 401 by Lilltle lake near colborne? Regards duken
I have some info on the track near Colborne. I'm working with the Canadian Motorsport Hall of Fame Archives to document every track that ever operated in Canada. Colborne was on the list as 1/4 mile dirt track in the early 1960's. I'll be doing some more research at the archives and will post the list in the next month or so. At that time we hope to get input from a lot of people to help fill in the holes. We're at almost 700 tracks listed so far.

Message posted by MIKE LINDSAY on 09 January 2004 at 1:08pm - IP Logged
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also-we seem to have forgotten that ACT ran one race at the CNE won by Unity Maine's Ralph Nason in a yellow LeBaron. I believe only 18 cars showed as the track's reputation had preceded it. I remember running into now Winston Cup driver Kevin Lepage (Shelburne Vt.) and his crew touring the EX after the race.


Message posted by Web Master on 10 January 2004 at 12:46am - IP Logged
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Mike - do you know what date the ACT race was? It must not have received much coverage. I need to look it up and add it to the article.

Thanks for pointing that out.


Message posted by Race Fan on 10 January 2004 at 8:25pm - IP Logged
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Hello.....great article...keep up the good work...

Isn't advertising and marketing one of the biggest issues in stockcar racing today? The lack of interest from corporate Canada and the lack of support from the auto manufacturers as well, only makes the race industry harder to support basically by the dedicated race fans who attend regularly.


Message posted by MIKE LINDSAY on 12 January 2004 at 10:19am - IP Logged
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I HAVE A COUPLE OF ACT PRESS GUIDES FROM THAT ERA. WILL CHECK THEM TONIGHT AND WILL HOPEFULLY HAVE THE RESULTS FOR YOU SHORTLY. I REMEMBER THAT IT WAS A STRANGE SATURDAY AFTERNOON RACE DURING THE CNE AND THAT THE DRIVERS HAD A DEVIL OF A TIME FIGURING OUT THAT HAIR PIN CORNER 3&4. IT WAS THE FIRST WIN FOR NASON'S LITTLE DODGE AND FOR THAT MATTER, THE FIRST WIN BY A DODGE IN QUITE SOME TIME. TIMING IS EVERYTHING-I THINK THERE WERE ABOUT 1000 PEOPLE THERE IN TOTAL. WHAT SCARED SOME PEOPLE AWAY WAS HAVING TO PAY ADMISSION TO THE EX AND THEN TO THE RACES IN ADDITION.

Message posted by mike lindsay on 13 January 2004 at 10:32pm - IP Logged
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found it-the ACT race was the "Autopro 100" held on Saturday afternoon Aug 25-1990, featuring 19 cars. Fast time was Shelburne Vermont's Kevin Lepage at 15.585 seconds in a 1990 Thunderbird. Time of the race was 56 minutes and 26 seconds and was won by Ralph Nason of Unity Maine in a 1990 Lebaron. Nason won $3715.00. Here's the finish:

1-Ralph Nason 2-Claude Leclerc 3-Bill Zardo Sr. 4-Jean Paul Cabana 5-Buzzie Bezanson 6-Robbie Crouch 7-Derek Lynch 8-Bill Zardo Jr. 9-Steve Knowlton 10-Dan Beede 11-Rollie MacDonald 12-Bruce Gowland 13-Kevin Lepage (who broke after leading much of the race) 14-Steve Munro 15-Robbie Thompson 16-Randy MacDonald 17-Andre Beaudoin 18-Sylvain Metivier 19-Wayne Williams

records show there were 12 chevs, 4 buicks, 1 chrysler, 1 olds, 1 ford

total purse was $27,920.00

most laps led-Nason 69 laps; 2 lead changes, 8 caution flags, most improved starting position Robbie Crouch (12 spots); best rookie finish-Bill Zardo Jr (8th)

-interesting to note that because of heat and dash money ACT paid and bonuses to the previous year's champ for entering, Robbie Crouch actually won the second best prize money of $3190.00 even though he finished 6th

 

 


Message posted by mike lindsay on 14 January 2004 at 8:14am - IP Logged
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as a correction to above, a lot of Crouch's money was for winning the pit stop contest which paid $1000 and was included in his prize money.

18 cars were running at the end-I remember a lot of drivers ducking into the pits and coming back out for the points rather than throwing in the towel early


Message posted by real racer on 18 January 2004 at 8:00am - IP Logged
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  I dont know who wrote this artical but when listing drivers fron the CNE how do you not list Jack Cook since he won every late model championship at the old  CNE any many super modified races ....


Message posted by mike l on 18 January 2004 at 5:13pm - IP Logged
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real racer-this article is strictly about the 1990 reincarnation!

Message posted by Web Master on 21 January 2004 at 10:18am - IP Logged
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To Real Racer - you're right. Jack Cook won the championship every year between 1964-1966. I didn't have all my notes covering the original era handy when I wrote the article and I worked from memory. I didn't want to put too much emphasis on the 1952-66 era since the article was focusing on 1990. The 1952-66 racing will be the subject of a future article.

 

 


Message posted by MIKE LINDSAY on 03 February 2004 at 12:39pm - IP Logged
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RE MUFFLERS-the Cascar LMs sure had mufflers as they were sponsored (contingency wise) by Walker. The problems cars were the CVMs (hobbys) as those straight 6s just screamed.  But the position of the Grandstand actually projected the noise out over the lake, not towards Parkdale. At the time, the Parkdale residents were still smarting over the Molson Indy being forced on them and seemed to take it out (with the help of their local alderman) on anything to do with motorsports.

Message posted by Web Master on 03 February 2004 at 3:04pm - IP Logged
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Quote: Originally posted by Guest on 03 February 2004
RE MUFFLERS-the Cascar LMs sure had mufflers as they were sponsored (contingency wise) by Walker. The problems cars were the CVMs (hobbys) as those straight 6s just screamed.  But the position of the Grandstand actually projected the noise out over the lake, not towards Parkdale. At the time, the Parkdale residents were still smarting over the Molson Indy being forced on them and seemed to take it out (with the help of their local alderman) on anything to do with motorsports.
That was the bias toward motorsports I was talking about. I seem to recall that people were complaining about the noise on non-race nights and that one studied indicated that more noise was coming from the Gardner Expressway than the track.

Message posted by Don Mitchell on 17 February 2004 at 6:11pm - IP Logged
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I've just read the article about reviving a regular racing programme in Toronto at the old CNE location. Sounds like Nate Salter wrote it, I hope it was, he truly understands. Regular racing will never, ever happen again in today's Toronto. Auto racing is not "cutting edge", it is not "world class", it is not oh so Toronto. And please, don't get all jumped up about the Molson's Indy, that is a once a year carnival, less about racing than being an event. If the Champ Cars had gone into the dumper this year and there was no "race", there would never again have been racing on the streets of good old TO. All the anti-racing folks, the people against cars crowd and greenies would have a whole year to gather ammunition and work their magic, ensuring this singular event would never happen again. I'm now an old guy. I spent many, many nights at Pinecrest, CNE and Flamborough in the 50's and 60's watching the hobbies, modifieds and the super modifieds three or four nights a week. NASCAR is fine on Sundays in the Ontario winter. However, we've gone back to short tracks as often as we can, the sight, sounds, and smell of racing fuel, simply can't be beat. TO and racing, bye bye.
dm

Message posted by csanders@ryerson.ca on 09 April 2004 at 12:04am - IP Logged
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Hi  !

We were members of the Neely motorsport team ((Rob 97) (from ?89 thru 93))if by chance you could link us up with them that would be great!

Thanks Cara & Brian Sanders (Bones? Dickhead)

csanders@ryerson.ca


Message posted by Webmster on 09 April 2004 at 4:23pm - IP Logged
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Quote: Originally posted by Guest on 17 February 2004
I've just read the article about reviving a regular racing programme in Toronto at the old CNE location. Sounds like Nate Salter wrote it, I hope it was, he truly understands. Regular racing will never, ever happen again in today's Toronto. Auto racing is not "cutting edge", it is not "world class", it is not oh so Toronto. And please, don't get all jumped up about the Molson's Indy, that is a once a year carnival, less about racing than being an event. If the Champ Cars had gone into the dumper this year and there was no "race", there would never again have been racing on the streets of good old TO. All the anti-racing folks, the people against cars crowd and greenies would have a whole year to gather ammunition and work their magic, ensuring this singular event would never happen again. I'm now an old guy. I spent many, many nights at Pinecrest, CNE and Flamborough in the 50's and 60's watching the hobbies, modifieds and the super modifieds three or four nights a week. NASCAR is fine on Sundays in the Ontario winter. However, we've gone back to short tracks as often as we can, the sight, sounds, and smell of racing fuel, simply can't be beat. TO and racing, bye bye.
dm

Nate didn't write the article.


 


Message posted by Webmaster on 09 April 2004 at 4:26pm - IP Logged
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Quote: Originally posted by Guest on 09 April 2004

Hi  !

We were members of the Neely motorsport team ((Rob 97) (from ?89 thru 93))if by chance you could link us up with them that would be great!

Thanks Cara & Brian Sanders (Bones? Dickhead)

csanders@ryerson.ca


Sorry, I don't know how to get in contact with Rob Neely.

Message posted by Gary Elliott on 19 April 2004 at 8:56am - IP Logged
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I have a few pictures of the Hobby's at CNE in 1990. Please e-mail me at gelliot@cogeco.ca and I'll do my best to get them to you.  Nice site.

Message posted by ACE on 27 April 2004 at 8:22pm - IP Logged
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  Hey - nice job with the article and your attention to detail and extensive research efforts are appreciated.  If you have any stats from Cayuga and Delarware from 1993 - 1996 I would be interested in obtaining them - only pertaining to CASCAR (superseries).   I have worked on several CASCAR teams over the years and would be interested in the actual records.

Message posted by Webmaster on 27 April 2004 at 11:39pm - IP Logged
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ACE:

Thanks for kind words. I don't have anything on CASCAR at Cayuga or Delaware 93-96 right now but I'm always coming across new stuff. I have all my PRN from that era.

What are you looking for? Race results?

 

 


Message posted by Don Mitchell on 20 May 2004 at 8:05pm - IP Logged
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Quote: Originally posted by Guest on 09 April 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Guest on 17 February 2004
I've just read the article about reviving a regular racing programme in Toronto at the old CNE location. Sounds like Nate Salter wrote it, I hope it was, he truly understands. Regular racing will never, ever happen again in today's Toronto. Auto racing is not "cutting edge", it is not "world class", it is not oh so Toronto. And please, don't get all jumped up about the Molson's Indy, that is a once a year carnival, less about racing than being an event. If the Champ Cars had gone into the dumper this year and there was no "race", there would never again have been racing on the streets of good old TO. All the anti-racing folks, the people against cars crowd and greenies would have a whole year to gather ammunition and work their magic, ensuring this singular event would never happen again. I'm now an old guy. I spent many, many nights at Pinecrest, CNE and Flamborough in the 50's and 60's watching the hobbies, modifieds and the super modifieds three or four nights a week. NASCAR is fine on Sundays in the Ontario winter. However, we've gone back to short tracks as often as we can, the sight, sounds, and smell of racing fuel, simply can't be beat. TO and racing, bye bye.
dm

Nate didn't write the article.


 




Message posted by don mitchell on 20 May 2004 at 8:07pm - IP Logged
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Quote: Originally posted by Guest on 17 February 2004
I've just read the article about reviving a regular racing programme in Toronto at the old CNE location. Sounds like Nate Salter wrote it, I hope it was, he truly understands. Regular racing will never, ever happen again in today's Toronto. Auto racing is not "cutting edge", it is not "world class", it is not oh so Toronto. And please, don't get all jumped up about the Molson's Indy, that is a once a year carnival, less about racing than being an event. If the Champ Cars had gone into the dumper this year and there was no "race", there would never again have been racing on the streets of good old TO. All the anti-racing folks, the people against cars crowd and greenies would have a whole year to gather ammunition and work their magic, ensuring this singular event would never happen again. I'm now an old guy. I spent many, many nights at Pinecrest, CNE and Flamborough in the 50's and 60's watching the hobbies, modifieds and the super modifieds three or four nights a week. NASCAR is fine on Sundays in the Ontario winter. However, we've gone back to short tracks as often as we can, the sight, sounds, and smell of racing fuel, simply can't be beat. TO and racing, bye bye.
dm



Message posted by bigg19@sympatico.ca on 27 June 2005 at 10:34pm - IP Logged
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My father Fred (Ted) Gilbert who passed away in 1996 used to drive car #19 when he used to race as part of the old CNE hell drivers. I am looking to get in touch with Nate Salter.  Can Somebody give me any information as to how I could contact him.

Thanks,

Jo-Anne


Message posted by Web master on 27 June 2005 at 11:46pm - IP Logged
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Quote: Originally posted by Guest on 27 June 2005

My father Fred (Ted) Gilbert who passed away in 1996 used to drive car #19 when he used to race as part of the old CNE hell drivers. I am looking to get in touch with Nate Salter. Can Somebody give me any information as to how I could contact him.

Thanks,

Jo-Anne





I found this on the Thornhill Cruisers web site:
Nate Salter
905-881-6700
honest.nate@sympatico.ca

Your dad's name sounds familiar. Did he race at the CNE as well?

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